Navigating the grey areas of ACE representation in gaming & beyond with Defira85 | Fresh out of Tokens

defira85:

femhype:

defira85:

HEY LOOK so I was very humbled to be asked to talk to Fresh Out of Tokens about asexuality in gaming (and asexuality in pop culture in general) and the episode went live today, woo! 

Listen to me trying to sound all professional and educated (actually you SHOULD listen, because it’s a great podcast. And a great topic. Go listen)

Really wonderful discussion! Some reading for you, once you’re done listening:

  1. “Coming Up Aces: The need for Better Asexual Representation in Games
  2. Asexuality & Cole’s Humanity in the ‘Dragon Age’ Trespasser DLC

Let’s always, always make an effort to listen to the voices in this community who are directly affected by the representation (or lack thereof) found in games. 🙏

I’m IMMENSELY grateful for that second article, I was linked to it a few days ago, and it says absolutely everything I would have said had we recorded after the Trespasser DLC had dropped (as it was, we recorded all the way back in August, so I had no idea that my pleasant optimism about Cole was about to be shattered)

I retweeted the article, but for those of you who don’t follow my twitter, the article about Cole in Trespasser is absolutely necessary reading. Thanks Femhype!

Navigating the grey areas of ACE representation in gaming & beyond with Defira85 | Fresh out of Tokens

beranyth:

heroicleap:

honestly @ asexual + aromantic people please be careful how you word your posts abt your negative experiences interacting w non-ace/aro people Especially if youre comparing yourself to other marginalized groups and Really Especially if youre cis/het and ace or aro.. because that can get really homophobic really fast

this is very very important and something I’ve seen a lot of; there has been so much needless conflict back and forth and it can get really frustrating but it’s no excuse for anyone to stop watching their words

Like a good rule of thumb is if you’re discussing the way people act that harm you, instead of making it a blanket allosexual/alloromantic (or whatever term you’re using), pause and actually consider if you’re talking about that or really just about straight people.  For example when I talk about how allosexual and alloromantic people frequently pathologize aromanticism and asexuallity, it’s because yes, I’ve seen it countless times even from people who aren’t straight–when I first started researching wtf I was if not straight years ago, I went straight to LGBT resource sites–and the only thing I could find was that it’s a mental/physiological illness, or gay people too internalized-homophobic to admit they like having sex, etc etc etc.  Recently I saw a few popular bloggers going on about how aromanticism is just being “mentally incapable of love” and that we should try to get treatment.  It’s possible for me to talk about how aromanticism and asexuality shouldn’t be pathologized with this framework and aim it at anyone who isn’t aro or ace.  

But if I start going off about, say, society glorifying sex/romance or whatever, it becomes outright false to say it’s anything other than glorifying heterosexuality, and I’m promoting a victim complex that acts like we’re the only ones facing marginalization.  It’s just flat-out wrong and ignorant and homophobic to act like allosexual/alloromantic LGB+ people are somehow included in this glorification–it ignores the struggles and suffering and deaths they’ve suffered and still suffer because of society’s treatment.  Which leads to another rule of thumb–to just completely drop the 

“you wouldn’t say that to a [other orientation]” bc guess what PEOPLE DO SAY THAT TO THEM (unless it’s straight, how come we never use that as an example lol)

also I know this is the internet and we use memes and mockery instead of actual discussion half the time but for this just?? not??  there’s no reason to and you’re dealing with people who have suffered a lot and even if they’re in the wrong on something there’s ways to bring it up without being awful (worst case scenarios you end up with shit like that “zombie apolocalpse for people who have sex” fiasco from a while back)  (I lost the link sorry)

idk I feel like I do nothing other than compile lists of what not to do instead of actually writing anything useful these days but if we can rein in the stuff we do that hurts people it’s still a good thing??

**this applies to a lot more than sexual orientation too because there’s a lot of other factors re: race, disability, mental illness that come into play too bu I don’t wanna highjack this post more than I already am

***use of ‘straight’ in this post meaning specifically cis + hetrom + heterosexual bc let’s be real society doesn’t glorify ace m/f relationships or aro m/f sexuality or any form of trans sexuality etc etc

beranyth:

bythegoddess:

why do people listen to aro/ace ‘criticism’ from people who have made it expressly clear they’re aro/acephobic

like maybe people who outright say they don’t believe it doesn’t exist or have any worth are…people who don’t have any ‘criticism’ of worth to say maybe…justtt maybe

thisssssssssssss

I’m so fucking tired of seeing the opinions of people who pathologize asexuality or aromanticism promoted, or those who say we’re “just straight people who want to be special snowflakes” or “sexually repressed airheads who are too pathetic to be ~liberated” or “gay/lesbian in denial with too much internalized homophobia to admit it” or “can’t get a date so make up an orientation” etc etc etc being treated like they’re the Word of God on us because they can find something to lash out about, or manage to wrap their bullshit up in enough buzzwords for people to swallow it

sometimes the criticism itself is legit but guess what, it’s so fucking easy to keep an ear to the ground for every possible way people from a marginalized group can fuck up and then SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS and then get legitimacy for whatever hateful shit you spout the rest of the day

it’s especially heartbreaking when I see ace/aro people–especially kids, which I see a lot–dutifully reblogging it because they’re trying to be responsible and mindful, and inadvertantly give a pedestal to people who don’t care about them at all and want to perpetrate everything that’s harmed them

cassandrapentaghast:

  1. it’s not romantic to have an li dump you for not wanting sex
  2. it’s not good writing to have an li dump you for not wanting sex
  3. it’s not inclusive to have an li dump you for not wanting sex
  4. it’s not fan-friendly to have an li dump you for not wanting sex
  5. it’s not fair for ace players to have an li dump you for not wanting sex